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Poster: Reade Date: Jul 4, 2019 7:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Gary Duncan - RIP

The Quick and the Dead. I'm not sure a lot of teenagers went to prison for a year around '64 or '65 for smoking dope. Wonder if he did his time for something else, but anywhooo, he sounds like not exactly your prototypical '60s Bay Area folkie-turned-rocker. More a jazz guy sounds like, but one who preferred gigs you actually got paid for. Comparing oneself to Thelonious Monk is different:

From a 2001 interview:
"I’d been in prison for about a year for smoking dope. When I got out, the Beatles had come out and you could not get a gig playing R&B anywhere. You had to be able to strap on an electric guitar : no horns, no B-3 [organ]. I could do that but I didn’t like it. I was with the Ratz and then I got with the Brogues.

Before the hippies came along, I’d hung out in San Francisco with the beatniks in the beat scene when I was a little guy, because my parents didn’t care if I was gone. I was an orphan and they adopted me and they didn’t know what they was gettin’. Hippie was a derogatory term in the beat generation. Calling you a hippie was an insult. I wasn’t a hippie, I was a guitar player. I wasn’t a hippie any more than Thelonious Monk was a beatnik. He was a piano player that the beatniks listened to. I still don’t like to be called a hippie. I was there making a living. As far as the political views of the time, I wasn’t protesting anything ; I was just there because I was having a good time playin’. Then all of a sudden we got publicity and everybody in San Francisco got a record deal. You automatically got a record deal because you was from there. It didn’t matter if you could play or not."

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 4, 2019 10:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Gary Duncan - RIP

To bring this back around to CREAM (har, har), v similar to Baker, eh? IE, he was always complaining about what the other folks were doing, and that he was a jazz player, pure and simple, the implication being these other flash in the pan rock and rollers were something altogether "lesser" sorts...

Interesting read; odd that both he and Dino go to jail for drugs w/in a yr or two...

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Poster: Reade Date: Jul 4, 2019 11:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Gary Duncan - RIP

That excerpt reminded me of that comment Jerry made about Kreutzmann once: "He was a different guy, really. Not somebody I would have known otherwise."

I guess Freiberg was convicted of possession as well?, now that you made me look this stuff up. What's the deal with all that for heavens sake..

"When I grew up, guitar players were bad motherfuckers. Every guitar player I ever met was a nasty son-of-bitch, because you had to be. I had a guy walk up to me one time and punch me straight in the face when I was about 14 years old. I hit him in the back of the head with a Telecaster; he’s walking with a limp, now. I done him in. You had to fight to play."

Um, what?

http://www.craigmorrison.com/spip.php?article64
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chet_Powers

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 4, 2019 12:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Gary Duncan - RIP

Holy crap...maybe this is where all those out of towners that looked down on the SF sound and scene were coming from...the comments by CREAM members that you played to earn $$, period, and it was a tough job you better be good at (ie, better than all the competition). No wonder the DEAD so surprised EC, Baker and Bruce (in some ways, I think EC took it more positively, in the sense that he saw something unique in Jerry et al. playing for free, etc.). Elvin Bishop and the others arriving and think that nobody can really play, blah, blah, blah...

I guess what we are seeing is that some of the older founders of the SF scene bands had some of that same "working class" (loosely speaking) backbone behind their musicianship, eh?

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Poster: Reade Date: Jul 4, 2019 12:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Gary Duncan - RIP

Don't leave Mike Bloomfield off the list of early doubters!

Those British guys who grew up in that really bleak post war period, London in rubble, etc., certainly had great reason to feel that way. Whereas our guys grew up in that post-war 50s boom here prompting them to wax philosophic about leading 'an uncluttered life,' as Jerry did in that '67 interview. Play for free? It's a beautiful day, we've got weed, friends, gear, electricity and a flatbed truck. Why the fuck not?
Very different kinds of guys hailing from diverse circumstances.
And yes, there were some this side of the pond who mirrored that gritty, working class attitude the Brits had.

As for styles of music, I always thought musicians gravitated towards the kind they wanted to play. Then later I realized musicians like to play music but what they liked better was to be paid for it. The glorious tidbit in Parrish's book, about the drummer who spent all day taping an episode of The Lawrence Welk Show, then showing up for his Jerry Band gig that evening still dressed in his yellow plastic suit, his LWS 'work clothes,' really drove that point home for me. Kruetzmann I'll submit only became the drummer he did, turning on a dime and all that, once he found himself presented with an opportunity to become that guy! As a non-musician, that kind thing will always blow my mind.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 4, 2019 1:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Gary Duncan - RIP

We're of like minds--my older brother lived in London in the mid 60s and he often pointed out that aspect in discussions w me in later yrs (their bleak post war experiences; imagine the comparison of me w my fritos, twinkies and cheese nips [hmm, no wonder I am now approaching Jerry's mass] as a kid w their mom's being rationed thru the 1950s...ugh).

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Poster: Reade Date: Jul 4, 2019 2:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Gary Duncan - RIP

You won't find me saying anything bad about Fritos!

I saw the drummer for Pink Floyd on a TV show and he said he believes his generation of musicians were so enamored with those American blues artists and records as a result of feeling like they were the N-words of Europe in that post war period. Makes total sense. Germany was getting rebuilt by the victors, Paris was intact- never got bombed, the US was off and running with it's phenomenal post-war economic expansion, and what of England? Left to its own devices. Ouch. That analysis was remarkable to me.